Food For Thought...
Coincidence?Probably.
Is there such a thing as reading too much into a religious symbol.
Of course! But, it's a privilege of belief/faith to be able to interpret whatever we want when it comes to religious symbolism. It would be nice to think that all that power comes from the woman's womb.
Of course, in a round about way, it does. ;]
That's the secular humanist in me.
posted by Rita @ 7:23 PM
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49 Comments:
"But, it's a privilege of belief/faith to be able to interpret whatever we want when it comes to religious symbolism."
Actually, it's presumption...
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20)
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." (Proverbs 14:12)
Of course, if one insists on being wrong, there's nothing anyone can do for them. It's not their right, just their decision.
"That's the secular humanist in me."
Or the wine? Certainly the feminist.
;-)
So.....You're saying that both crucifixes and uteruses are symbols of cattle skulls?
With this and the dongshroom post below, I see a theme emerging -- "things that look like reproductive organs". A fruitful field of inquiry, no doubt.
This post and the one immediately prior seem to go well together. I can't help but think this was of intent.
I never noticed how much JC looked like a womb until now!
You know what else looks like a diagram of a womb?
Yeah, every tattoo any woman gets on her lower back. Go ahead and look next time and compare it to your diagram up there.... Now I know, they just love Jesus a lot ;-)
Do you wonder if these similarities have anything to do with the way Jesus is seen as a nurturer?
Or, is he just a pussy ? ;-)
"Or, is he just a pussy ?"
Gee, Mac... I don't ever remember seeing any depictions of Him riding a PINK donkey...
Do YOU?
:)
Gideon I'm not going to debate you. It would be futile. We obviously have different perspectives on life.
infidel I've always had a Freudian interest in phallic & vaginal/womb symbols. Reproductive symbolism is all around us.
phil Not intentionally, really. It's like when you google a subject & all these related things come up with it.
Mac You are so right about the tattoos! Interesting...
"I'm not going to debate you."
Hardly a debate when the scripture is right there, before you. Oh well.
No use bothering anyone with facts when speculation and opinion are better, right?
Seeing how Christianity has borrowed so many pagan symbols and traditions, I wouldn't be surprised by your interpretation... it is not impossible at all !!!!
Giddy: the scripture is right there, before you.....No use bothering anyone with facts.....
There's no shortage of facts here. You just miss seeing them because your scripture is in the way.
"Seeing how Christianity has borrowed so many pagan symbols and traditions..."
Yeah, there are a lot of pagan symbols and traditions in Catholicism. However, that has ziltch to do with Christianity, which doesn't use them.
You know why they hung Christ on a cross? Being a pagan symbol, itself, hanging the Lord of the universe on a symbol of rebellion and apostasy was meant as the ultimate insult... you know, that which infidels do best when they don't know their asses from holes in the ground?
Infidel753... you like to start ticking off those "facts" you're bleating about, son? I haven't seen anything along that line, here, yet. Only vague analogies of even vaguer comparisons.
Standard infidel logic in action.
Giggle.....Giddy has an imaginary friend who's the "Lord of the universe". Nothing wrong with that -- if you're five years old.
However, that has ziltch to do with Christianity, which doesn't use them.
Protestants don't do Christmas?
Hmmm...Is someone interpreting that Catholics aren't Christians?
Nice try, Rita.
Yeah, I'm SAYING that the Catholic system precludes any honest affiliation with Christ, outside of the souls that would leave it once the truth was allowed past the naysayers like you to reach them and convict them. I've already demonstrated that tradition and opinion have nothing to do with real Christianity... how about this, as well...
"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." (Mark 7:7-9)
Have another glass of wine, Rita. Trying to refute Christianity with pagan reasoning and tradition is like pissing into the wind and just as profitable.
Infidel753: Yeah, many Protestants do Christmas. Ignorant ones. Just like with the Catholic devout, when they see their error they recant. If they don't, they end up like you and Rita... bitter, deluded, and dedicated opposers of truth.
"Of course! But, it's a privilege of belief/faith to be able to interpret whatever we want when it comes to religious symbolism."
I'm always inspired by that worn-out philosophy you parrot, Rita! Inspired enough to post something like this on my blog.
Giddy: they end up like you and Rita... bitter, deluded, and dedicated opposers of truth.
Giggling, dedicated opponents of the deluded, you mean.
Jesus was probably mythical, but hey, maybe it all started like this.
Sorry, Infidel753... my official comment policy is now only two responses per loser. Your time's up.
In more ways than one, I reckon.
>:)
Giddy: Sorry, Infidel753...
That makes three:-)
As PZ Myers pointed out, religion has two major weaknesses: one is that it's wrong, the other is that it's hilarious.
Giddy, assuming as he has the role of a crazily-jouncing piñata (while looking like a cross between a Cylon and a colander) seems determined to incarnate both.
Touche, Gideon !
I didn't actually think Jesus was a pussy. He does resemble female reproductive rgans in Rita's example, however.
As I don't suspect he was a pussy, neither do I suspect he was as full of vitriol as most modern conservatives seem to be.
Mac, let's not be coy, you knew full well what you were implying when you made your statement about Christ. You know, if one were to consider the times that He lived in, one would be led to the inevitable conclusion that He would have been a rugged individual. The climate, alone, tends to produce rather ruddy individuals, notwithstanding the popular and inaccurate Renaissance-type depictions of people living then.
Add the fact He was a carpenter by trade, employing rather crude and unsophisticated tools that didn't utilize labor-saving electricity, I'd wager that Jesus was probably a better physical specimen than most of His detractors, today. Certainly, without the benefit of a pink motorcycle to haul His ass around, I imagine most of his traveling was on foot, necessitating a high degree of fitness.
I suspect He had to be an imposing figure, too, given that He was able to clear a room full of crooks from the temple that were cheating the people out of their hard-earned money. You ever try clearing a room of folk that didn't especially want to leave, Mac?
Anyway, that decided, one really has to stretch things to come up with such a comparison as Christ's crucifixion to the female reproductive organs and genitalia. It would certainly help to have a negative attitude, even hatred, for Christ, something not lacking in certain individuals, here.
No, Christ wasn't vitriolic or vindictive, unlike His enemies. Obviously, He was capable of kicking ass when it was required. I don't think He was overly conservative or liberal, either. Myself, I'm apolitical. I think your partisan politics are foolish and you're being played like cheap fiddles along those lines. However, that's another issue.
Mac, I gave you credit for having a little more grey matter than some of the posters, here. You've at least commented on my blog in the past. I hope that wasn't an error in judgment on my part?
Good Morning Rita!
I read this the other day, but just didnt get to comment. I dont even know what in Hell to think about this posting, any more than the last one about the worm, beside's it's a unique post/ theory, havent seen another like it that I recall!
Were covered in mega ice and snow here ... and I gotta hit the road unfortunately.
Actually It's a spoof in a way. A way to poke a little fun at
religious symbolism.
"Actually It's a spoof in a way. A way to poke a little fun at
religious symbolism."
LOL! Yeah... sure!
I guess we'll be seeing something 'funny' about Darwin posted, now, eh Rita?
Not likely.
Giddy, we don't hate your imaginary friend or befuddled book of old Middle Eastern folk tales. We're laughing at them.
"Giddy, we don't hate your imaginary friend or befuddled book of old Middle Eastern folk tales. We're laughing at them."
Oh. Well, I can see you're a man of humor, Infidel. Me, too. Soooo... how about this, then?
To quote the video poster:
"Everyone's favorite bloated pseudo-intellect comes on the Daily Show, drunk as usual."
I think it's a riot! Best part is, the video poster is an atheist! You should see the number of humorless atheists that show up to comment on his videos, blasting him... they think he's a Christian! LOL! Be sure to check out his other works, too. Funnneeee!
See, Rita? It's possible to work both sides of the street... uh... so to speak.
;-)
Gibbon
It's possible to work both sides of the street... uh... so to speak.
Uhhh...Are you trying to tell us you are not biased?
Yo, check this one out!
LMAO! Now, check out the atheists' comments to that vid!
HI-larious!
Did you see Pinker and the cameraman retreat from the shower of spittle that erupted from Dawkin's mouth?
LMAO!
Well, that was jolly.
Gideon's comments, I mean
So if Jesus was a carpenter he was necessarily a tough guy?
Maybe there's a certain logic to that. As for turning the moneylenders out of the temple, I don't think it would be necessary that he was built like a marauding marine, maybe he was just acting bat-shit crazy, and nobody wanted to get near?
Ever think of that one?
As for "Anyway, that decided, one really has to stretch things to come up with such a comparison as Christ's crucifixion to the female reproductive organs and genitalia. It would certainly help to have a negative attitude, even hatred, for Christ, something not lacking in certain individuals, here."
I'd say no, but equally, your comment might suggest a negative attitude, even hatred for female genitalia?
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20)
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." (Proverbs 14:12)
Neither of these make any sense unless we interpret privately and do what seems right.
Although you say "The scripture is right there", one thing that's undeniable is that scriptures are ambiguous, conflicting, and in need of interpretation. And who is to say which is the right interpretation?
All i got from reading the bible is that it's highly conflicted and unreliable as historical evidence.
And that the lord thy god can't seem to make his mind up.
"So if Jesus was a carpenter he was necessarily a tough guy?"
Oh, gee... we have a representative of the queen, here, telling us where the bear sits. How is it, then, Soubriquet? How's the weather, over there, in the infidel capital of the universe?
Tell me... what's a "teleportation consultant"? Oh, I know... you were best boy on the film set "The Fly", correct? Or, maybe you're just a welfare case?
Don't worry yourself, Soubriquet. I know Christ wasn't as tough as your average teleportation consultant, as if anyone could be. I'll bet a lot of government money gets 'teleported' regularly to your bank account, too, right? Isn't that the way it is with those on the dole that can't (won't) find real work? Your queen's a shining example for all teleportation consultants, in that regard.
Yeah, if the temple had been full of teleportation consultants, Christ likely wouldn't have made it out alive. He'd have tripped over their prostrate, sleeping bodies, hitting His head and killing Himself.
So, besides helping drain the British economy of much-needed tax dollars and sleeping till noon, what else do you have to offer, Soubriquet? Maybe you can levitate for us? I know... teleport yourself to the nearest employment office and see if they could use someone with your 'skills' in helping turn your economy around.
Ah, Gideon, please explain this business of the bear, because I've no idea what you're talking about.
As for the queen, she and I have never met, and she's never briefed me even indirectly on her requirement for representation, I understand she's amply represented elsewhere.
The weather here is cold and windy, but I'm not in the capital of England, let alone the infidel capital of the universe.
As for "Teleportation Consultant", it's merely a flippant misdirection, somewhat like you wearing an upturned perforated bucket.
I wonder which version of The Fly you think I might have worked on. Might it have been the 1913 one?
As for government money, alas, none of it gets delivered into my treasure chests. Rather the opposite. I pay taxes, out of the wages I earn in return for my honest toil.
"sleeping until noon"
As for my country's economy, well, it was screwed largely by a government I voted against.It also was not helped at all by our prime-minister's following his good pal George Bush into an illegal, ill-planned, and apparently endless war.
What else? Oh Jesus in the temple. Well of course, he could have teleported himself out, as he could do magic.
Much as I'd like to drain my nation's tax-dollars, we don't have such things.
And, as I mentioned earlier, the flow of tax is mostly in the opposite direction.
So go on, what's this about a bear?
So, do you think, with Jesus being a carpenter and all, when he hit his thumb with a hammer he said, "Jesus Christ!"?
"Ah, Gideon, please explain this business of the bear, because I've no idea what you're talking about."
That's right, you don't. Any of it.
We've another time-honored adage in my neck of the woods... if you don't know what you're talking about, keep quiet. Better to be silent and appear ignorant than open your pie hole and remove all doubt.
That's where the bear sits.
"So, do you think, with Jesus being a carpenter and all, when he hit his thumb with a hammer he said, "Jesus Christ!"?"
He wasn't a woman, He knew how to hold a hammer.
;-)
Gideon, have you been indulging in forest fungi? One too many stinkhorns, perhaps?
"Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice."
""Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice."
So... why don't you, then?
Gideon, I don't know about you but I've seen plenty of men whack themselves with a hammer and no, it had nothing to do with being in my presence :-)
Gideon: It's not my book. I'm not a christian.
That said, I'm actually pretty much free from all that bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, malice etc, I'm actually a very forgiving, easy-going sort of person.
Unlike a lot of christians.
"... I've seen plenty of men whack themselves..."
Telling tales out of school, there, JAG?
XD
"Unlike a lot of christians."
*Playing violin*
Awwwwww...
*Sniff*
Gideon,
Wow! I never even caught that. I must be slipping. Yes, I suppose I have seen men whack themselves.
I see, Mr Colander-head.
What's your next move? Raspberry-lipped farting noises?
I'm so impressed by your quality of argument.
Bye now. I'm underwhelmed by your repartee.
"I see, Mr Colander-head."
LOL! Gee, I think I've evolved! I mean, I could think of a zillion ways to screw with your 'name', son... but, I resisted that primal urge! Guess that puts a bad reflection on you, eh?
Yeah, you better leave, Soubriquet. Maybe re-watch "V" and pick out another name... I may not be able to resist my primal urges for much longer!
XD
Oh my!
I'm sorry Gideon, but Colander head...LOL!
You HAVE to see the humor in that.
"You HAVE to see the humor in that."
Yeah... British humor. Go figure!
;-)
Screw with my name all you want, Rustbucket, (or should i call you "Dad"?)
I'll be interested to see if you can come up with some good ones I've not heard before.
since I've been using that name on and off for 31 years, I've heard a lot of variants.
I'm afraid i'll have to bow to your superior knowledge of "V".
The only "V" I've ever watched was Veronica. We were sweethearts when we were six.
As for your urges, well, go ahead. Keeping it all bottled up may do more harm than good.
"The only "V" I've ever watched was Veronica."
She was THAT much taller than you?
*Snicker*
Your powers of deductive reasoning are distincively sub-sherlockian, Gideon.
I could have been sitting down.
When she was twenty years of age, Veronica was five foot one inches tall. Me? I'm about the right height for my weight, and my weight's not excessive.
It bleeds too, that's what communion is all about (puke)
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